Since the Himalayan came out in the US, it has seemed that interest in all things Royal Enfield has only increased and turn around a negative narrative of previous models, the 650 twins furthered that as did the 350 platforms. I suspect this new one will bring additional attention Royal Enfield's way and give a new halo effect which may help keep the old Himalayan popular even as more eventually hit the used market.
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Will used older style Himalayans flood the market after the much improved Himalayan arrives ?
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nmroadrunner
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Some will want the latest and greatest right away so bargains may be had while a larger percentage will take an wait-and-see approach as to reliability and durability.
I think it highly unlikely the used market will be "flooded" with 411s for the forseeable future.
Dealers will most certainly be providing incentives on remaining 2023 and older "new" unsold 411s to make showroom floor space.
I think it highly unlikely the used market will be "flooded" with 411s for the forseeable future.
Dealers will most certainly be providing incentives on remaining 2023 and older "new" unsold 411s to make showroom floor space.
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It will be at least six months to a year before the 452 arrives on these shores. And while there will no doubt be some early adopters willing to pay full list and then some for it, I suspect there are a lot more who will hold onto their 411s for a year or two to see how the 452 holds up in the real world. That should prevent any spectacular drop in 411 trade/resale values. Or so I hope, having just spent $1400 getting mine back on the road.
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Keep in mind the CF Moto is a parallel twin, and the engine (in NK model currently available at my local dealer) makes its peak torque at 7600 rpm. Going to be a whole different experience from either of the Himalayas.
smilespergallon
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Higher peak numbers are not always better or faster. 'Area under the curve' is what you want to look at for how any engine performs in day to day variable use. You will so seldom hit the near-redline revs required for those numbers that it is much more important to know how much of the rev range gives you usable power (power band), and how much power it gives at various points in the range (the curve).
Wider bands and higher peak both contribute to area under the curve, but unless you are hot lapping on a track day the chances are high that you're going to be more interested in how much it gives you from low down to about 3/4 of the way up (and how wide that range is) instead of how just much it gives in the top 10% of your tach.
Wider bands and higher peak both contribute to area under the curve, but unless you are hot lapping on a track day the chances are high that you're going to be more interested in how much it gives you from low down to about 3/4 of the way up (and how wide that range is) instead of how just much it gives in the top 10% of your tach.
Put simply, mid range rules....
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From what I’ve read, although the 450mt uses the same 270 degree crank, twin cylinder engine as the road going cf Moto models, it has been re tuned to produce more torque lower down in the rev range, and as a consequence produces less peak power - about 40hp as opposed to 44.
It’s certainly one I’m going to look at, along with the 450 Himalayan.
It’s certainly one I’m going to look at, along with the 450 Himalayan.
Roy Gavin
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As Phil Vincent said a long time ago, the ability to get to a high speed quickly is more use on a road bike than a slightly higher speed.
And we are left to wonder how much longer his bikes would have held the world naked bike speed record if they had actually been made to go fast!
FWIW they held it for 60 years, lost it by 1 MPH to a bike that claimed around 100HP more!
But most power/ weight claims prove to be total fiction when they are independently tested for approval for learner/ restricted compliance at 200HP/ TON, wet/ RWHP, some bikes actually having to make the same HP as the manufacturer claim KW to comply.
And no, road testers never notice-------!
And we are left to wonder how much longer his bikes would have held the world naked bike speed record if they had actually been made to go fast!
FWIW they held it for 60 years, lost it by 1 MPH to a bike that claimed around 100HP more!
But most power/ weight claims prove to be total fiction when they are independently tested for approval for learner/ restricted compliance at 200HP/ TON, wet/ RWHP, some bikes actually having to make the same HP as the manufacturer claim KW to comply.
And no, road testers never notice-------!
Take a
look at the mileage of the CF moto.