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Weird Starting Issue

madbiker

Well travelled
Location
United Kingdom
I am posting this in case anyone else gets this weird starting issue it might help them diagnose the problem.

So I have had this bike for over two years and in over 30,000 miles of use I have never had any issues with starting it.

About two months ago I parked it and everything was OK. Two weeks later I tried to start it but there was a problem.

The bike would start and run for one or two seconds before cutting out.

The MIL light was lit showing an issue. I checked the long/short codes and it gave the following.

3 Long & 3 Short (Fuel Injector Circuit)
3 Long & 7 Short (Ignition Coil Circuit)
4 Long & 1 Short (Fuel Pump Relay Circuit)
5 Long & 4 Short (EXAI Circuit)

The fuel pump was priming. I changed both relays (2018 BS 4 model) I tested the resistance on the fuel injector and it was good.
I removed the spark plug and grounded it but no spark. Now this I found strange as the bike would start and run for a few seconds. I could not understand why it would do this but I did not get a spark when the plug was out and grounded.

I tested the coil resistance and it was good.
I could not start the bike so I could not check the O2 sensor but f it had failed that would not prevent the bike from starting.

I changed the original 4 year old battery for a new one. I changed the spark plug for a new one but still there was no change in tha it would start them immediately cut out..

As I had no spark I fitted a new coil but no difference. I tested the power and earth connection to all of the above and they were all getting power. I checked the power and earth connections to the ECU which were also good. The ECU circuit diagram shows all of these sensors on the same circuit so I thought that maybe the ECU had an issue.

I like to do all my own maintenance but not having a diagnostic computer I had to bite the bullet and put it in to the RE dealer in Katowice.

After a diagnostic check it turned out that the both the fuel injector and O2 sensor had failed. They replaced the injector from a new bike that they had in stock.

The O2 sensor is still malfunctioning and the MIL light is still on but at nearly 200 Euros for a new one I think that I shall just remove it and fit an elimination kit.

I still do not know why it registered a fault with the ignition coil circuit and the fuel pump relay circuit when they were both OK. I can only presume that since all of these appear to be on the same internal circuit in the ECU the failure of two of them caused the additional false error codes to be shown.

Hope my issue adds to the knowledge base for the Himalayan.
 
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Eatmore Mudd

Moderator
Staff member
Early on, a fella on ADV posted about his low buck OBD2 solution on the Himma. Torque Pro app + generic brand KTM adapter cable + ELM Bluetooth dongle, both from Amazon.
I have them right now and fooled around with the app and dongle on my car last night. Pretty cool so far.
 

Eatmore Mudd

Moderator
Staff member
My Himalayan is a 2018 pre ABS.
The KTM adapter cable I poached off Amazon for like 14 bucks.
It's advertised as 6 pin, the plug has 6 pin positions but only 3 of them have pins. The cable is compatible with the KTM LC8 engine.

Plugged it all in fired up the bike, Torque Pro + cable + dongle are working. Now I need to play around with the app. Pretty cool to watch the oil temperature rise as the bike warms up.
 
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petespace1

Well travelled
Location
Aus
I am posting this in case anyone else gets this weird starting issue it might help them diagnose the problem.

So I have had this bike for over two years and in over 30,000 miles of use I have never had any issues with starting it.

About two months ago I parked it and everything was OK. Two weeks later I tried to start it but there was a problem.

The bike would start and run for one or two seconds before cutting out.

The MIL light was lit showing an issue. I checked the long/short codes and it gave the following.

3 Long & 3 Short (Fuel Injector Circuit)
3 Long & 7 Short (Ignition Coil Circuit)
4 Long & 1 Short (Fuel Pump Relay Circuit)
5 Long & 4 Short (EXAI Circuit)

The fuel pump was priming. I changed both relays (2018 BS 4 model) I tested the resistance on the fuel injector and it was good.
I removed the spark plug and grounded it but no spark. Now this I found strange as the bike would start and run for a few seconds. I could not understand why it would do this but I did not get a spark when the plug was out and grounded.

I tested the coil resistance and it was good.
I could not start the bike so I could not check the O2 sensor but f it had failed that would not prevent the bike from starting.

I changed the original 4 year old battery for a new one. I changed the spark plug for a new one but still there was no change in tha it would start them immediately cut out..

As I had no spark I fitted a new coil but no difference. I tested the power and earth connection to all of the above and they were all getting power. I checked the power and earth connections to the ECU which were also good. The ECU circuit diagram shows all of these sensors on the same circuit so I thought that maybe the ECU had an issue.

I like to do all my own maintenance but not having a diagnostic computer I had to bite the bullet and put it in to the RE dealer in Katowice.

After a diagnostic check it turned out that the both the fuel injector and O2 sensor had failed. They replaced the injector from a new bike that they had in stock.

The O2 sensor is still malfunctioning and the MIL light is still on but at nearly 200 Euros for a new one I think that I shall just remove it fit an elimination kit.

I still do not know why it registered a fault with the ignition coil circuit and the fuel pump relay circuit when they were both OK. I can only presume that since all of these appear to be on the same internal circuit in the ECU a the failure of two of them caused the additional false error codes to be shown.

Hope my issue adds to the knowledge base for the Himalayan.
Let us know how it goes after you fit the elimination kit.
Just another thought is your EVAP unit mounted on the bash plate and associated plumbing working ok?
 

madbiker

Well travelled
Location
United Kingdom
Hi petespace1. The first thing that I did when I got the bike was remove the EVAP system. I realised that all that plumbing to capture a tiny amount of evaporated petrol fumes could only lead to problems. To be honest this bike is the first fuel injected bike that I have ever owned. I always preferred bikes with carbs as they are simple in operation and they never fail completely, they just go out of adjustment.

In the past I always steered clear of fuel injection as I knew that despite failures being rare, when you did get a failure of a major component, as is the case on this occasion, it would be without warning and leave the bike dead. However, due to the idiotic morons that run our Governments, we have no choice but to own vehicles with more and more complicated fueling and anti emission systems fitted to them.
 
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