New Himalayan Cold Start

Tomyan

Getting there...
Location
Scotland
Hello,

Got my new Himalayan a month ago. Like it, except cold start. In what position should the choke/enricher, and the throttle be for cold start. Left a few days won't fire with temperature at 9 Centigrade. Spoiling the fun somewhat.

See it could be battery, from other posts, but it's brand new and cranks well.
 

Robert

Well travelled
Location
Holland
Nine degrees is not exceptionally low and my bike starts effortlessly at that temperature. Well it did last winter.
Sitting on the bike the 'choke' should be pulled towards you; I usually start the bike with throttle closed. If it is a bit hesitant I might -during the cranking- gently open the throttle somewhat.
You write it cranks well: I find the battery a wee bit on the small size and the quality of the OEM battery wasn't very convincing. It may not have improves in the four of five months it send in the dealership before I bought it. It did crank well, but was quickly exhausted. I recently replaced it, and this battery is more inspiring. You could try to parallel it with an auxilliary battery. If that make the difference you could consider getting a better quality battery. After all, it does not only crank the engine, but also has to run the fuel pump and the ECU. If one of those gets a few electrons less it may have trouble starting.
Finally you could try a different spark plug. I heard several people trying the Iridium plug: NGK CR8E IX I believe. I haven't tried it myself yet as the bike starts well, but if a lot of people benefit it might well help in your situation.
How many miles did you put on it yet?
 

RSD-Moto

Finally made it
Location
Surrey UK
I too changed the plug for the iridium, and have no issues starting the bike since. Before the plug change, it was lever fully open and feather the throttle.

It does seem to be improving with age though, as the miles go on everything is smoother :)
 

Tomyan

Getting there...
Location
Scotland
Nine degrees is not exceptionally low and my bike starts effortlessly at that temperature. Well it did last winter.
Sitting on the bike the 'choke' should be pulled towards you; I usually start the bike with throttle closed. If it is a bit hesitant I might -during the cranking- gently open the throttle somewhat.
You write it cranks well: I find the battery a wee bit on the small size and the quality of the OEM battery wasn't very convincing. It may not have improves in the four of five months it send in the dealership before I bought it. It did crank well, but was quickly exhausted. I recently replaced it, and this battery is more inspiring. You could try to parallel it with an auxilliary battery. If that make the difference you could consider getting a better quality battery. After all, it does not only crank the engine, but also has to run the fuel pump and the ECU. If one of those gets a few electrons less it may have trouble starting.
Finally you could try a different spark plug. I heard several people trying the Iridium plug: NGK CR8E IX I believe. I haven't tried it myself yet as the bike starts well, but if a lot of people benefit it might well help in your situation.
How many miles did you put on it yet?
Hi Robert,

Thank you for your comprehensive reply.
Nine degrees is not exceptionally low and my bike starts effortlessly at that temperature. Well it did last winter.
Sitting on the bike the 'choke' should be pulled towards you; I usually start the bike with throttle closed. If it is a bit hesitant I might -during the cranking- gently open the throttle somewhat.
You write it cranks well: I find the battery a wee bit on the small size and the quality of the OEM battery wasn't very convincing. It may not have improves in the four of five months it send in the dealership before I bought it. It did crank well, but was quickly exhausted. I recently replaced it, and this battery is more inspiring. You could try to parallel it with an auxilliary battery. If that make the difference you could consider getting a better quality battery. After all, it does not only crank the engine, but also has to run the fuel pump and the ECU. If one of those gets a few electrons less it may have trouble starting.
Finally you could try a different spark plug. I heard several people trying the Iridium plug: NGK CR8E IX I believe. I haven't tried it myself yet as the bike starts well, but if a lot of people benefit it might well help in your situation.
How many miles did you put on it yet?
Hi Robert,

Thank you for your comprehensive reply. The problem seems to be the ECU, the warning light stayed on, after spending 15 minutes starting it. Took in back to dealer. They replaced the battery with a decent one, under warranty, and looked at the EMS malfunction indicator light.

The problem seemed fixed. No light on as I rode 20 miles towards home from Inverness. However, having stopped for petrol, the bike was reluctant to start. After 4 or 5 attempts it did run, but the warning light stayed on. The garage is contacting Enfield UK to see what they say. Waiting on that.

Have done just over 500 miles. It's had its first service.

Really like the bike. It suits me as I'm 73 and it's like the machinery of my youth, single cylinder, air cooled. I'm a long way past being a boy racer. Can now get up to the heady speed of 50mph. The running in procedure is a bit long and slow.

Will keep in mind the Iridium spark plug, but the bike should handle the cold. The name is a clue.

Thanks to all who replied.

Go well Tomyan
 

Tomyan

Getting there...
Location
Scotland
I too changed the plug for the iridium, and have no issues starting the bike since. Before the plug change, it was lever fully open and feather the throttle.

It does seem to be improving with age though, as the miles go on everything is smoother :)
Problem is a fault with ECU. Seems a bit odd to hold lever fully open, and pull the clutch. Mine will only stay halfway by itself. Bit of an awkward doing.

Go well Tomyan
 

OregonChuck

Finally made it
Location
Eugene, OR
I put iridium plug in and a lithium battery on , Boom 💥 starts instant😀
Hi. Which lithium battery did you choose? I want to replace my stock battery since I want to start doing longer trips and am adding a lot of accessories (USB charger ports, GPS, heated grips, etc) and I don't want to rely on the original battery. Also, I hear moving to a lithium battery gives you a lot of room under the seat to more easily work with the wires and all.
 

DRugerH

Well travelled
The shop manager at the dealership where I purchased my Himalayan told me that they perform an optional ECU update during the first service, if the customer requests it, that will do a faster idle until the bike gets to the right temp, and will settle down to the normal idle speed. This will pretty much eliminate the need for the "choke" on a cold start. I have an appointment on Friday afternoon to have this done. I will report back on this update.

Dan
 

Oibrider

Getting there...
Location
Shallotte,NC
Hi guys , I have a 2021 himalayan,now at 680 miles on it. Love the bike, but it is and has been the hardest bike to start cold I have ever owned. Valves have Ben adjusted, I have done a evap and air injection delete, Hitchcock kit .this has all helped when bike is running warmed up. I have found a number of things from factory that were wrong, cold start cable was kinked under tank and evap tube pinched at throttle body and under tank kept the tank high pressure. These are now takin care of.
When I start bike up cold I need to feather the throttle and keep it reved for the first 20 to 30 seconds, then bike is 100 % good. The cold start cable appears to do nothing at all. I am along coast in NC, so temp is warm. Any ideas ? I let the bike warm up good b4 I ride so no problem with it shutting off. It is just the initial start up. I guess with me using throttle is basically same as cold start lever, but what a pain. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance
 

modiorne

Well travelled
Location
Charlotte, NC
Hi guys , I have a 2021 himalayan,now at 680 miles on it. Love the bike, but it is and has been the hardest bike to start cold I have ever owned. Valves have Ben adjusted, I have done a evap and air injection delete, Hitchcock kit .this has all helped when bike is running warmed up. I have found a number of things from factory that were wrong, cold start cable was kinked under tank and evap tube pinched at throttle body and under tank kept the tank high pressure. These are now takin care of.
When I start bike up cold I need to feather the throttle and keep it reved for the first 20 to 30 seconds, then bike is 100 % good. The cold start cable appears to do nothing at all. I am along coast in NC, so temp is warm. Any ideas ? I let the bike warm up good b4 I ride so no problem with it shutting off. It is just the initial start up. I guess with me using throttle is basically same as cold start lever, but what a pain. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance
Bike does have an old style engine and break in needs - it does get better re cold starts as the engine breaks in. Give it another 500-1000 miles and likely you wont need the cold start lever or reving. Mine is a 2020 (Feb) with just over 10k miles now, been great, starts easy cold or warm. I did drop in the Iridium plug sometime after the 300mi service. I think that was an inexpensive "mod" that gives a lot of benefit.
 

Dave-O-O311

Getting there...
Location
Texas
Hi guys , I have a 2021 himalayan,now at 680 miles on it. Love the bike, but it is and has been the hardest bike to start cold I have ever owned. Valves have Ben adjusted, I have done a evap and air injection delete, Hitchcock kit .this has all helped when bike is running warmed up. I have found a number of things from factory that were wrong, cold start cable was kinked under tank and evap tube pinched at throttle body and under tank kept the tank high pressure. These are now takin care of.
When I start bike up cold I need to feather the throttle and keep it reved for the first 20 to 30 seconds, then bike is 100 % good. The cold start cable appears to do nothing at all. I am along coast in NC, so temp is warm. Any ideas ? I let the bike warm up good b4 I ride so no problem with it shutting off. It is just the initial start up. I guess with me using throttle is basically same as cold start lever, but what a pain. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance
I have 1400 miles on my 2021 and I’ve in Texas. I have had issues with cold start since day one. Although my RE mechanic has no issue. My starting procedure goes start bike rev to 2000 twice 1000 once and bring to slow idle. Light cigarette enjoy coffee through lunch into luggage. (Sometimes, not so much now with more mileage there maybe a restart. no need to touch throttle on restart) gear up one last sip of coffee store on saddle. Off I go and she runs just fine. I am all stock except K&N air filter
 
The shop manager at the dealership where I purchased my Himalayan told me that they perform an optional ECU update during the first service, if the customer requests it, that will do a faster idle until the bike gets to the right temp, and will settle down to the normal idle speed. This will pretty much eliminate the need for the "choke" on a cold start. I have an appointment on Friday afternoon to have this done. I will report back on this update.

Dan
This is exactly what I had done at first service and has worked well. Also had the throttle position sensor set to the .56 mark. No problem starting, except when I forget to flip the kill switch :(
 

DRugerH

Well travelled
Oh, I totally forgot to report back. Yeah, after having this done, I never have issues with this bike on cold starts. I also never use the choke anymore. It is completely unnecessary now that the ECU had been flashed.

Dan
 

DIEGOL

Total noob
Location
ARGENTINA
Oh, I totally forgot to report back. Yeah, after having this done, I never have issues with this bike on cold starts. I also never use the choke anymore. It is completely unnecessary now that the ECU had been flashed.

Dan
Hello, I'm new in this forum but I have the same problem (plus, it sometimes stalls when I press the clutch changing from 3rd to 2nd gear). I live in Argentina, it's a 2020 BS4 model, but the official seller here tells me they do not perform the ECU update you mentioned. Do you (or anybody) know if adding a POWERTRONIC ECU will solve the issue as well? I don't care a bit about the extra power whatsoever, my goal is to solve this problem! Thanks!!
 

Andy131

Well travelled
Location
Manchester UK
What I don't understand is why so many are having cold start or even not-so-cold start issues on the Himmy?
Mines new - just had 300 mile service, from day one, press the start button, she catches within a second or two, blip throttle to 2,000rpm and let go. Tickover cold is a little low at 1,100 but nothing drastic. Put on helmet and gloves and away you go, no drama no routine, all within a couple of minutes. When she is warm the tickover is a little high at 1,600rpm but nothing to cause me concern. The only time she cuts out is when I do something dumb like forgetting to pull the clutch in at lights, or pulling off in 3rd.
Tried the choke once to see what it did, not much. Granted the coldest I have been out in is 1C

Not a helpful post I appreciate, but this is surely what the dealerships should be producing every time, and if not then the importers need to up their game, by training the people who service and PDI the bikes.
 
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