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Corona Update

sam2019

Well travelled
Despite all the bad one could say about Trump in one respect he WAS right although he got bashed from all sides for it, and that is the Chloroquine speech.

This protocol seems 95% effective, I mean getting a 90 year old lady with prior lung damage off her deathbed IS convincing in my book:

 

Roy Gavin

Well travelled
Talk is cheap, he gives no proper details of his case studies, and speculation that 50% of those infected show no symptoms is just that, speculation.
Others are conducting proper scientific research into this product, and to date they do not get the results that this guy claims.
And they don't posy their results on Utube either!
If he has done serious research U tube is not the place to report the results, remember, 98% of utube in just wally food , crap for the simple minded ,and it is one of the first choices of those with false news, after twitter.

And yahoo is little better.
 
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sam2019

Well travelled
Talk is cheap, he gives no proper details of his case studies, and speculation that 50% of those infected show no symptoms is just that, speculation.
Others are conducting proper scientific research into this product, and to date they do not get the results that this guy claims.
And they don't posy their results on Utube either!
If he has done serious research U tube is not the place to report the results, remember, 98% of utube in just wally food , crap for the simple minded ,and it is one of the first choices of those with false news, after twitter.

And yahoo is little better.
appart from you opinion about youtube, each to his own btw. I can only use my intuition to gauge if this guy makes up -on the fly- what he is reporting or if he speaks the truth.

I say he is sincere. the question if he does "proper science" is utterly meaningless in his situation. HE IS A DOCTOR helping people and reporting on what successes he had. of course it is circumstantial but there is only one other choice for him, to not tell anybody - which of course would be UTTERLY STUPID and help noone.

so either you keep your "everyone on youtube is a fraud" attitude, in which case this is not for you, or you take whatever valuable info you can extract, which is what I did, getting some chloroquine and the other stuff he mentions.

ps: I also doubt very much you took the time to watch the entire episode because in each case HE DOES GIVE ALL THE NEEDED DETAILS you claim are missing.

AND there are now multiple reports of doctors, all circumstantial, who report the same results. their applications vary slightly but all are based on HCQ.
 

BurnieM

Well travelled
The credibility problem is that a few individuals are being talked about and major organisiations setup to deal with pandemics are being ignored.

Everybody is free to believe what they want. I hope the naivity of some does not lose them their lives.
 

TN_twowheeladdict

Well travelled
Location
Tennessee
Mmm.

"
“What we’re doing now is not working, and I think making the same mistake over and over is a sign of stupidity,” Dr. Paul Marik told Yahoo News. “If it’s not working, we’ve got to look for something else.”

Marik is promoting a treatment of his own devising, a combination of corticosteroids and high-dose ascorbic acid, or vitamin C, as a first-line therapy for patients hospitalized with COVID-19. Marik is a respected clinician, chief of Pulmonary and Critical Care Medicine at Eastern Virginia Medical School.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/rethinking-coronavirus-some-doctors-question-how-we-use-ventilators-123733204.html


Seems like this subject has already be discussed here.
 

Wintrup

Well travelled
Location
Cumbria UK
Thought I'd link another Dana video as it speaks to the issues that I've been observing: irrational rules and encouraging mass public fear and distrust and wilful inflation of mortality figures. And Dana looks sexy in the snow there, maybe that's enough reason to link the vid.
Red Pill Germany made a really good video on mortality stats that contradict this first video, so I put a link for balance...
 
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sam2019

Well travelled
Little update from India. The tourists who where infected by the panic virus have now all left with their respective "rescue" flights and only the hardcore individuals are staying. Our bunch is very lucky to have a nice Austrian-run coffeshop still open (its kinda illegal but as it is part of the hotel nobody seems to care), however they are on their last KG of coffee :(

The lockdown which originally was planned until 21st, then reverted to 15th is now being extended for another 2 weeks. Food supply still very normal, everything else closed and police gets more and more annoying as they seem to have gotten instructions to hit hard on curfew violators (and I mean that literally, with sticks!).

Meanwhile it has been found that eating licorice is helping prevent infection by covid19, at least one light at the end of the tunnel :)

My regularly scheduled flight back to the fatherland goes 20th of May. Lets hope all is well until then.

btw: no virus in Rishikesh so far, there was one dutch woman but it turned out to be the flu. nobody knows of anyone, and I have asked in pharmacies and the doctors I know. I seems pretty surreal to me considering "social distancing" isnt really something you can enforce in India where people huddle together everywhere.
 
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Roy Gavin

Well travelled
We now live in an age of false news, fake figures, outright lies and implausible theories.

What is sometimes called a post truth world,

Everyone will have a different take on what they believe, usually based on their previous prejudices.

Unfortunately it is a simple fact that the more bigoted, irrational and illogical ones opinion is the harder it is to change.

A rational , logical opinion based on facts that one believes can be changed by revised facts, or logical and reasoned argument .

Little will change the minds of the bigoted, irrational and illogical, when their attitude is that they alone are capable of determining the truth and they believe they are a superior intellect and anyone who disagrees with them is a gullible, simple minded retard , beyond contempt.

Unfortunately, few ,if any , of us know which camp we are in, self assessment is totally useless in this matter!

So what we are seeing now is polarization, with those who think that Trump and his clones are demonstrating that they are the greatest leaders ever to lead the free world, and the rest seeing buffoons lurching from one imbecilic lie or disaster to the next.

So it is probable that most of us should be showing a little more respect for the opinions of others.

if you have something which you believe to be factual post it without comment, and just leave the interpretation and judgement to the reader.
 

johnny42

Well travelled
Location
NY State
Assume........the "government" wants all citizens vaccinated (side argument as to who benefits financially from the labs manufacturing it) (and another side argument about what vaccines we'll all be required to get).

I saw something interesting on my local news. Not sure if it was a national story or not, but some University conducted a poll about watching professional sports in sports venues. Right now no one can. The question asked was would you attend a sports event if you had a COVID-19 vaccine. The sample was apparently some 700+ so hardly scientific.

I don't really care what the poll showed. What alarmed me was the subtle way the media is suggesting this might be a thing.

And a question for those smarter than me...... professional sports figures raking in $millions$ with their contracts.... without teams/owners/sponsors receiving revenue, how are these players going to be paid?
 

Roy Gavin

Well travelled
There are two answers to this - the right wing media will tell you it will be the tooth fairy, the rest seem to think it will fall on the honest , taxpaying citizen / sports fan.
The choice of who you believe is yours alone!
 

Wintrup

Well travelled
Location
Cumbria UK
that video is a hoax, the guy is either an idiot or clueless. the same numbers can be seen for previous years, so it proves nothing.
How is it a hoax? All he's doing is explaining the statistics taken from the Euro Momo Website. EuroMomo could be skewing the numbers, but that's unlikely as they collate the data taken from each of the countries on the chart. Oh, and Red Pill Germany has been around on Youtube a long time and he's no idiot and from my knowledge of him he's not a liar either. Dismissing somebody without know anything about them is idiotic though. He has worked for many years in China and made a good video describing their bad health and safety practices. I did link it before but took it down. You can find it on his Bitchute channel.
We now live in an age of false news, fake figures, outright lies and implausible theories.

What is sometimes called a post truth world,

Everyone will have a different take on what they believe, usually based on their previous prejudices.

Unfortunately it is a simple fact that the more bigoted, irrational and illogical ones opinion is the harder it is to change.

A rational , logical opinion based on facts that one believes can be changed by revised facts, or logical and reasoned argument .

Little will change the minds of the bigoted, irrational and illogical, when their attitude is that they alone are capable of determining the truth and they believe they are a superior intellect and anyone who disagrees with them is a gullible, simple minded retard , beyond contempt.

Unfortunately, few ,if any , of us know which camp we are in, self assessment is totally useless in this matter!

So what we are seeing now is polarization, with those who think that Trump and his clones are demonstrating that they are the greatest leaders ever to lead the free world, and the rest seeing buffoons lurching from one imbecilic lie or disaster to the next.

So it is probable that most of us should be showing a little more respect for the opinions of others.

if you have something which you believe to be factual post it without comment, and just leave the interpretation and judgement to the reader.
Good post and I roundly agree with you. This video sums up my feelings on it.
 

sam2019

Well travelled
How is it a hoax? All he's doing is explaining the statistics taken from the Euro Momo Website. EuroMomo could be skewing the numbers, but that's unlikely as they collate the data taken from each of the countries on the chart. Oh, and Red Pill Germany has been around on Youtube a long time and he's no idiot and from my knowledge of him he's not a liar either. Dismissing somebody without know anything about them is idiotic though.
first I do not not know anything about him. the guy is german, of course I know him. I suspect he is not very well versed in double checking data though. It may not be a hoax in the sense that it is intentional but there are videos on YT (or at leas there where, cant find them at the moment) where EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE was shown, that mortality is NOT growing and in fact is still LOWER than in previous years around the same time. I remember the title picture was of various countries lined up under each other with years 2017 and 2018 used for comparison.

that Momo itself is reliable I would very much doubt because they just use numbers they get from the governments which usually lie to us whenever it fits their agenda.

of course you are free to believe what you want but because my reply seems to elicit such a strong reaction in you I will not further engage you on this subject. there are other platforms that are better suited for this kind of discussion
 

Wintrup

Well travelled
Location
Cumbria UK
of course you are free to believe what you want but because my reply seems to elicit such a strong reaction in you I will not further engage you on this subject. there are other platforms that are better suited for this kind of discussion
Using caps and shouting won't make your comments any more important or true. And if you think that was a strong reaction from me, then you're very mistaken. I was sipping my morning coffee, as relaxed as can be and simply responding to your name calling, which I dislike. Whether you engage with me or not isn't that important to me, just that you if you do engage be reasonable.
 

sam2019

Well travelled
Using caps and shouting won't make your comments any more important or true.
correct but used in moderation it underlines stuff, which is what I did

And if you think that was a strong reaction from me, then you're very mistaken. I was sipping my morning coffee, as relaxed as can be
well calling my knowledge about that guy in question without first at least checking with me and then calling me an idiot does not really convince me of your mental equilibrium

and simply responding to your name calling, which I dislike. Whether you engage with me or not isn't that important to me, just that you if you do engage be reasonable.
I did not name call anyone on this forum, but if you expect me to be politically correct in the face of a guy who actually managed to brainwash you into believing his crappy information which a simple google search for "yearly statistics on death world wide by country" will debunk, well that is kind of -lets say- calling for less strong morning coffee.

I am also quite taken aback by your STRONG REACTION when it seems obvious, at least to me, that we agree on most issues regarding this virus thing.

but that may be as it is - as I said, there are better forums to discuss this issue, after all we are not here to agree with guys who try to convince us of the end of the world in the near future.
 

Wintrup

Well travelled
Location
Cumbria UK
@Sam
Let me be quite clear, I don't know what's going on with regards to the virus, but I'm trying to find out as best I can. As for me being either PC or brainwashed, my friends would chuckle at that accusation about me. People are struggling to make sense of it, including Red Pill Germany. We are in a fog of information and misinformation right now and I haven't made up my mind about anything yet, though I have some strong views about where I think this is going and the virus is going to be the least of our concerns in the months ahead. If we continue to follow orders and be distrustful and suspicious of each other, or to socially shame and snitch on each other, we are heading down a very bad road.
 
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