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S & S Cycles 750 and 865 Big Bore kits for the 650 twins.

Ace

Well travelled
Location
E TN, USA
I joined this site just to inquire about this BIG BORE setup... I completely agree with you guys that the Enfield absolutely detuned this engine to meet A 2 classification... It's built for a "first bike" - right price, right size, right look...

Anyway, I'm a new rider and bought a used Vstrom 650 to learn on. When I spend the money on a new bike I absolutely love the look and styling of Interceptor 650, but right now I have around 65hp with the suzuki and really don't want to go down to 50hp on the RE...

I do not mind spending a couple thousand to do the big bore kit on a new bike if it's a realistic reliable option...

Can any of you please help me find any reviews or videos on these SS big bore kits... I found them a few weeks ago but can't find any other information about what it does for the bike?? Why would they offer this with no video or performance numbers

Anyway, hey guys... Glad to be here

Branon
Augusta, GA
The parts are supposed to be available thru dealers, from what I have heard.

I would consider a Power Commander first, so you can be in control of tuning.
 

Njrider

Getting there...
Location
Nj, usa
Ive leaned much of what you said... and keep learning more!, i look for reviews and so havr not seen any..most waiting i guess for reviews, and to be closer to end of warrenty...i guess
This is my forth bike, from starting with a 96( i think) intruder.. to a Kawasaki 500 to a hd 883... and now the interceptor...and i must say i love this bike!!
 

Bmitchell1876

Getting there...
Location
Augusta, GA
The parts are supposed to be available thru dealers, from what I have heard.

I would consider a Power Commander first, so you can be in control of tuning.
Yes... I don't think it's worth doing without a true dyno tune and maybe a clutch upgrade, but the thing is that they seem to have stopped updating people about this particular Big Bore Kit...

Example on the S&S YouTube channel they directly answered 2 comments that the RE KIT will be shipping in "less than a month" but that was now over 8 months ago.... Still no actual videos and NO shipping of product...

Makes me wonder if they actually hit an issue or if it's just a "road legal". - RE "agreement" issues holding it back,??
 

Ace

Well travelled
Location
E TN, USA
Yes... I don't think it's worth doing without a true dyno tune and maybe a clutch upgrade, but the thing is that they seem to have stopped updating people about this particular Big Bore Kit...

Example on the S&S YouTube channel they directly answered 2 comments that the RE KIT will be shipping in "less than a month" but that was now over 8 months ago.... Still no actual videos and NO shipping of product...

Makes me wonder if they actually hit an issue or if it's just a "road legal". - RE "agreement" issues holding it back,??
I don't know, but RENA has changed CEOs and has not been doing too well here last year.
S&S made those parts for the LSR bike a couple of years ago, and I haven't heard anything more about them since.
The LSR bike went well, but it was a nitrous oxide build which isn't really very applicable for the street. They just gave it the big bore kit and some spray. Not sure about any cams, but maybe they did. Also not sure if they actually did any production of these parts past the LSR effort.

I get the feeling that RE is holding back on parts, and everything has to be ordered thru dealers, which puts a kink in most builders' style. It feels like they don't want people going inside the engine. When you read the custom build articles, none of them have any engine work. Just styling.
 

Bmitchell1876

Getting there...
Location
Augusta, GA
Common sense says nobody wants to void the single best warranty in the industry while the bike is covered. The warranty is transferable too.
That could be just it. They are just waiting a year and half for the original int 650 and continental 650s to get outta warranty... Then sell the hp upgrade to the guys that started out on 50hp and ready for more
 

Roy Gavin

Well travelled
I had a test ride on a 65 hp Suzuki , and it felt no faster than a 37 hp BMW F650 GS in general road riding.
So, try and get a test ride on a 48 hp Enfield, you may be pleasantly surprised.
Or maybe get a ride on a Vincent Black Shadow, only 62 HP but it feels like three times what the Suziki has!
 

Njrider

Getting there...
Location
Nj, usa
The more i ride the more i second guess doing it when 3 yrs up... but who knows in 3 how ill feel.. she gets to 80 just fine...
 

Bmitchell1876

Getting there...
Location
Augusta, GA
The point is I want the big bore kit and I'm wondering why they have it for sale on they're website s&s, but they don't have any videos or reviews of the product

That's what I'm here to find out
 

Ace

Well travelled
Location
E TN, USA
The point is I want the big bore kit and I'm wondering why they have it for sale on they're website s&s, but they don't have any videos or reviews of the product

That's what I'm here to find out
The only way that I can figure is to call S&S with a reference to the kit and ask them how you can get it.
I have never heard anyone on any RE forum who has ever actually got one.
 

Njrider

Getting there...
Location
Nj, usa
I emailed S&S awhile ago.. it is available but have to contact them directly as they were working on website at the time... i didnt get the kit
 

MidFla

Total noob
Location
usafla
Much dialog and opinions here - all good. Has anyone actually installed an S&S cam, High compression pistons or big bore kit yet? An owner can only get them from a dealer but I haven't gotten an answer from a dealer yet on whether it would void the warranty or would it matter if the owner or a dealer did the work. I could easily install the cam but would probably have my dealer do it at the next valve adjustment service (yes - I am willing to lose my warranty). In order for S&S to develop these parts there must be dyno results - I would like to know the results for just the camshaft and the results for the cam with the pistons and with the big bore kits. Most owners and dealers would not be able to do the machine work to install the big bore kits (you can read the instructions at the S&S web site), so it could get pretty expensive. It would be great if S&S would supply the cylinders with the sleeves installed.

Carl
Brooksville, Fl.
 

Bmitchell1876

Getting there...
Location
Augusta, GA
Ok good the 2 docent big bore kits are available on the S&S site now!! I haven't been able to find anybody that's done the conversion and dyno runs... Some Websites say that the hp will increase to 70hp but I would love to see a proper right up and youtube video to see it actually installed on a bike...

The price is an extremely reasonable $650 us or 500 pounds for the European market...

Just posting here again to see if anyone has seen anything on the internet about it written recently... All the write ups I've seen is just saying it's in development and those were written summer off 2019..

Looking forward to this guy's!
 

TN_twowheeladdict

Well travelled
Location
Tennessee
Ok good the 2 docent big bore kits are available on the S&S site now!! I haven't been able to find anybody that's done the conversion and dyno runs... Some Websites say that the hp will increase to 70hp but I would love to see a proper right up and youtube video to see it actually installed on a bike...

The price is an extremely reasonable $650 us or 500 pounds for the European market...

Just posting here again to see if anyone has seen anything on the internet about it written recently... All the write ups I've seen is just saying it's in development and those were written summer off 2019..

Looking forward to this guy's!
If you are needing the additional torque to get you moving then $650 plus your labor is a good deal. If you wanting to do this for the increased acceleration and top speed, then plan on spending money on upgraded suspension to keep the wheels in contact with the road surface with the increased accelerations and top speed. Also plan on upgrading the brakes and the tires for traction and stopping quicker to compensate for the faster accelerations and top speed.
 

tpelle

Getting there...
Location
Kentucky, USA
I wonder what RE has up their sleeve. Let's step back and take a look.

Mr. Lal was originally planning on a new bike release every year or so. Maybe that's slipped behind the original schedule a little with this COVID19 Pandemic lock-down going on worldwide, but I bet something will break loose pretty soon?

RE is finally getting a pretty decent dealership network in place, at least in the U.S., and seems to partnering up with Indian Motorcycles dealers as far as I can see, but it wouldn't be good if the line stagnates and dealerships lose interest.

I've heard before that the 650 twin has a LOT more capacity in reserve. So how hard would it be to come up with a new bike with a new identity to satisfy those customers who may be ready to move up, or maybe hook some new customers who think the present 650 is too under powered - maybe guys considering Harleys but can't swallow the high prices?

So, I am currently reading a book on RE that covers the company from its beginnings up to the UK closing, and would google up pics of the bikes being discussed at various times if I wasn't familiar with them. For example, here's a pic that I found of a 60's Constellation 700 twin:



Looks a lot like an Interceptor 650 doesn't it (Or I suppose it's the Interceptor that looks like the Constellation.)? The engine looks a lot like the present 650 too. So how difficult would it be for RE to make a new Constellation 750 based in the Interceptor 650? Maybe take a bigger bite out of the Harley market? And with a bike with a bit more power and torque than the present 650, how about hooking up with a side car maker using the new Constellation 750 as a tug? Lure some Ural customers into the fold too?

I bet it would be a powerhouse.
 
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Ace

Well travelled
Location
E TN, USA
The Constellation was a 692cc, and it came before the Interceptor. The Interceptor 750 engine was the 692cc Constellation engine with a longer stroke and twin carbs.
To my mind, they should have named the new 650 as the Constellation, and left room for the Interceptor name as the 750.
But I'm sure the marketing dept was just itching to use that Interceptor name.
 

tpelle

Getting there...
Location
Kentucky, USA
I thought the Constellation started as a nominal 700, then was upped to a 750. May be wrong - has happened before!

You were right, Ace. I just looked it up on Wikipedia.

Nevertheless, I think an Interceptor/Constellation/whatever 750 with a hack option would be cool! (If I were a dealer I would want to give some free instruction along with the keys.)
 

Ace

Well travelled
Location
E TN, USA
I thought the Constellation started as a nominal 700, then was upped to a 750. May be wrong - has happened before!

You were right, Ace. I just looked it up on Wikipedia.

Nevertheless, I think an Interceptor/Constellation/whatever 750 with a hack option would be cool! (If I were a dealer I would want to give some free instruction along with the keys.)
Yes, they called the Connie a 700, but they called it a 700.
The Interceptor was called a 750, but was actually 736. Stroked.

There should be enough power in the new twins for sidecar use. Big bore kit would be even better.
 
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